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  • What to expect in the upcoming update and a bit more(video)

    Posted on January 8th, 2010 anphase 38 comments

    I’ve pre­pared a video to give you a pre­view of the upcom­ing update. The firmware is not final, it still has a few issues to be ironed out but it does give you an idea of what’s to be expected. I’ve also included a few apps from Sam­sung Mobile Inno­va­tor and Imag­i­na­tion Tech­nolo­gies Pow­erVR SDK. All these are freely avail­able for down­load. So far, these demos are as close as we can get to the full power of the i8910, and that’s a lot of power. I’ve also added an extra video with a pre­view of Symbian^4 run­ning on the i8910 cour­tesy of AAS from The Sym­bian Exchange and Expo­si­tion SEE 2009.

    Short demo of upcom­ing update and a bit more

    Links

    (Updated) You can down­load qt demos from qt demo web­site. To get Qt to run on the i8910 you need to install the fol­low­ing files:

    Qt_selfsigned(on C:)

    Qt_installer

    Flu­id­launcher

    QtWe­bkit selfsigned

    After that you’ll have a suit with sev­eral Qt demos. You can then install the Weather, Bud­get apps etc that are on the Qt web­site above.

    Qt Apps

    A bunch of Qt apps on the i8910

    SMI Demo pack from Sam­sung Moblie Inno­va­tor (You need to have a free account with Sam­sung Mobile Inno­va­tor to download)

    (Updated)Opera moblie browser from Opera Mobile. Watch a video com­par­i­son of Opera Mobile vs. Sky­fire (with links)

    Fring for VoIP from the Fring web­site

    You can get more free apps from AAS(All About Sym­bian) over here on their top 20 list of appli­ca­tions for the i8910 com­piled by Steven Litchfield.

    Some of these apps take a while to install because they con­sist of sev­eral appli­ca­tions. You will need to accept a bunch of things many times when installing…maybe 20 prompts, I lost count :)

    Check out some Symbian^4 action on the i8910. As this runs right on top of Sym­bian, since Qt is a UI frame­work, we may see it com­ing later on. The demon­stra­tion starts around 40 sec­onds into the video. Cour­tesy of AAS.

    I have no links though, it was strictly a demo for SEE 2009.The Demand Issue

    One of the major gripes from the com­ments on my meet­ing with Sam­sung and forum dis­cus­sions is the issue of “demand”. Sam­sung was talk­ing about mar­ket demand (when con­sid­er­ing other pop­u­lar devices) for these features. Here’s an example. Let’s look at the iPhone for a sec­ond. One of the most pop­u­lar devices on the mar­ket. We could say its fea­tures are the bench­mark (no, not really, but it’s the sin­gle most pop­u­lar device in the world). It has no FM trans­mit­ter, nei­ther does the Motorola Droid(get it? Droid does…not), or the Palm Pre, why? This fea­ture never really took off, most peo­ple don’t even know what it is. It was more ‘pop­u­lar’ 3 years ago on the Nokia N95 and in a few other devices today. The iPhone doesn’t even have a flash so a torch is out of the ques­tion. No HD video to talk about at all. It may be choppy, but it’s there on the i8910 together with other video res­o­lu­tions that work flaw­lessly. The iPhone didn’t even have video record­ing until the iPhone 3gs which came a while after the i8910 was announced(after its design and fea­ture set were final­ized) so auto focus is not imple­mented. Nei­ther is front cam­era access, the iPhone doesn’t even have a front cam­era, just a 3.2MP one at the back. Call record­ing is rarely ever seen in any device, cer­tainly not on the iPhone etc. etc. Ok, I know I’m being overly pos­i­tive for a change, delib­er­ately pick­ing on the fea­tures that the i8910 has over the com­pe­ti­tion. The point being that we should be more real­is­tic. Yes, we want these fea­tures, we’re ‘demand­ing’ for them, but they were not really in demand at the time the i8910 was designed and over­all when we look at other ‘sim­i­lar’ devices on the mar­ket. I’d like more fea­tures packed in yes­ter­day but we have to be patient. The guys at Sam­sung are play­ing their part.

    Why am I try­ing to jus­tify Samsung’s responses? They made an effort to address these issues and to talk to me and we’ve made seri­ous tan­gi­ble progress. Very few com­ments about Sam­sung are pos­i­tive yet they went out of their way to make this hap­pen. This is not the end, it’s only the begin­ning so be more opti­mistic please.

    Cheers.

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    • Kholisun

      Firstly.. Great video :) .. Again thanks for the effort you put into this man.. Even got Sam­sung to update some of the phones fea­tures!! AGAIN JOB WELLDONE.. ;)

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    • http://mobilbekcisi.wordpress.com Gece­Bek­cisi

      Why do you keep com­par­ing i8910 to the iPhone? Lemme answer, because you assume “We could say its fea­tures are the bench­mark”; which is quite wrong for the entire tar­get cus­tomer base for i8910/Symbian handsets.

      Sorry but you’ve failed once more time.

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    • deci74

      hello
      you say you haven’t been ‘blinded’ or ’sold out’ to Sam­sung, but why you try to find excuses for them?
      you selec­tively pick phones that haven’t some fea­ture and try to jus­tify why i8910 hasn’t got that fea­ture.
      what about that big lie of sam­sung that i8910 has HD record­ing? look at wikipedia… the min­i­mum fram­er­ate for HD stan­dard is 23.976 ~ 24 fps.
      respect.

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    • http://anphase.wordpress.com anphase

      Well, I had to choose between this device and the iPhone when I got it. They are both multi-media smart­phones with loads of func­tion­al­ity but dif­fer­ent oper­at­ing sys­tems. The iPhone isn’t per­fect, I was sim­ply try­ing to illus­trate what ‘demand’ meant from a ‘mar­ket’ point of view.

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    • Jesus

      Anphase, I know you’re appre­cia­tive of Sam­sung, but you are talk­ing absolute rub­bish now.

      Why exactly are you com­par­ing the i8910 to the iPhone? Where did that come from? They are two totally dif­fer­ent devices aimed at totally dif­fer­ent people.

      Why are you spew­ing rub­bish to try to jus­tify Samsung’s crap? Don’t destroy your cred­i­bil­ity, because you’re start­ing to sound like a fan­boy right now.

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    • http://alsvik.dk alsvik

      I think that the major­ity here is not being fair to Anphase.
      Anphase did a very good job on his report.

      I will not be the judge whether the Samsung-interview was a suc­ces or a fail­ure. Anphase got the inter­view and did his best. He has for­warded the inputs he got and that is all we can ask for. I did not sit in the chair with the Samsung-guy, nei­ther did you guys. We can ony guess how it had devel­oped then …

      I think we all need to real­ize that we have bought an expen­sive phone that did not ful­fill Sam­sungs wishes for sales num­bers — and there­fore this phone does not get the sup­port it deserves. It’s a good phone, but it is not a top­notch phone.
      We chose Sym­bian and by doing so we chose an oper­at­ing sys­tem that does not evolve that quickly. All the com­pa­nies involved in Sym­bian relies on other doing the “hard work”.
      Sam­sung will never put mil­lions of money into Symbian.

      Sam­sung rely on their succes-products and develop these fur­ther. I8910 was not an absolute suc­ces. We saw some pos­si­bil­i­ties in the device, but Sam­sung can­not efford to spent 1000 man hours on try­ing to sat­isfy us (we are just a very small frac­tion of their cus­tomers). They try new prod­ucts and move along. So should we!

      Sam­sung might hit a source of byuers with their next prod­uct that maybe sells more than a mil­lion world­wide.
      Anf even if you right now state taht you will never buy another Samsung-product — we all know that this is not true. If the invent the right prod­uct with the right spec­i­fi­ca­tions and options, you will stand in line to buy it. Con­sumers for­get so fast! And Sam­sung knows.

      Omnia HD was a prod­uct that did not reach the big masses. Sam­sung Corby is doing well, sell­ing big time.

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    • http://alsvik.dk alsvik

      Sorry for­got:

      No, we can­not com­pare Iphone with Omnia HD. There are many rea­sons, but keep this one in mind:

      Apple pro­duced 1 (ONE) phone that was almost an instant hit every­where, world­wide. Sam­sung pro­duces many phones. That is a major dif­fer­ence that eas­ily explains why the Omnia HD is not evolv­ing as fast a i.e. Iphone.

      But imag­ine how the phone could turn out, if Sam­sung spent the same amount of money and man-hours on the Omnia HD as Apples does on Iphone …

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    • fenomeno83

      oh my god…I writye the same thing that i Wrote in in samsungi8910omnia

      Oh my GOD!!!seems that some users never had phone of oth­ers com­pa­nies..
      sam­sung is the only com­pany that has a feed­back with users (maybe is this the real problem)!!!

      nokia: if you request some­thing to nokia, it will be do????really you think this?had you ever a nokia device?do you know that first firmware of EVERY nokia device is very unsta­ble, and are nec­es­sary sev­eral mouths to get a good sta­bil­ity? n95 first firmware with radio don’t work­ing, low ram managmement,bad photos,etcet6c…n96, must speak about n96??etc etc etc

      apple: do you remem­ber GPS question?iphone 3g was with a gps receiver, but apple did­nìt want any gps application!only when born 3gs was born sev­eral gps application!!and sev­eral things

      htc: do you remem­ber peti­tion about video dri­vers in many htc device?many and many htc device have an out­dated video dri­vers (many prob­lems in video play­back for example)..was solved?NO!!

      etc etc etc

      and sam­sung? give a aac codec -> aac codec given
      give task 3d -> task 3d given
      give kinetic -> kinetic given
      and sevel things that will fixed
      How­ever can’t sat­isfy every request, because there are many thing to consider..and how­ever sam­sung is not perfect

      Now, why cry­ing like a baby? If sam­sung didn’t meet anphase, we cried?

      SAMSUNG HAS REPLIED ON EVERY QUESTION!this must be apprecited!what com­pany do this?

      and after, some of ques­tions are not really problems

      Cam­era: maybe in this firmware will be a cam­era improvement..omnia hd has one of the best cam­era avail­able in mobile phone..Hd video record­ing maybe is lim­ited by cpu..yes, also I hope that HD record­ing will fixed, but remem­ber that at 720x480 maybe pro­duce the best mobile recording..use 720x480!!!!yes, every­one want use 1280x720, but if will be not fixed(not because sam­sung don’t want), use 720x480 to get fan­tas­tic videos!!

      AND REMEMBER THAT IS A PHONE!

      wEB BROWSER: WILL BE FIXED, but there are sev­eral 3rd part appli­ca­tion ..and about flash, maybe only maemo has a good sup­port of total flash..the best acclaimed mobile browser(iphone)hasn’t..windows mobile has flash­lite as symbian..wait skyfire(that use proxy sev­ers) for total flash(is in testing)

      speed: improve

      kinetic: will be (and seems works fine!)

      java: fixed in k1 tai­wan and hope that will be include in final ver­sion
      fan­tas­tic per­for­mance

      fm trans­mit­ter: is illegal!STOP!and also if there is, range is lim­ited by law and not usable…use AUX CONNECTION!!

      call record­ing: is also ille­gal against privacy!STOP..

      voip: there is fring, no neces­sity of native sup­port (that cost maybe bat­tle against operators)

      front cam­era: with a 8mp cam­era you want make pho­tos with ridicu­lus vga cam­era (build only for videorecording)?..and if you want, you can using a code

      video edi­tor: before write, you must think!!!it’s an hard process, expe­cially for phone, man­age res­o­lu­tion above 640x480.. (think this: video edi­tor will be release obnly for 640x480 resolution..what will say user?WE WANT VIDEO EDITOR ALSO FOR HD RESOLUTION! BUT YOU KNOW WHAT MEANS MANAGE A HD VIDEO WITH A PHONE???? IT’S HARD ALSO FOR A PC!!AND BATTERY?MUST THINK TO THIS THING!)
      there are sev­eral tools for win­dows for exam­ple, that man­age mp4 in native for­mat wthout recom­pres­sion: yamb or boil­soft video split­ter are some exam­ples..
      man­age mp4 in pc is more usable..in my opnion is not really nec­es­sary have a video edi­tor in phone

      por­trait qwerty: use third part appli­ca­tion like day­hand­in­put

      native sym­bian 5° edi­tion por­trait qwerty is not too much usable with­out a pen..and in omnia hd you can’t use pen..if you see video with por­trait qwerty in alfa release of omnia hd we can see that is not usable!

      voice com­mands: use third part appli­ca­tion like vlingo(i didn’ìt test)..so, is it too much important?never used in all my past phones!

      torch: yes, could be devel­oped an appli­ca­tion also by samsung..but if you want you can

      threaded sms: use free isms

      alter­na­tive OS: stu­pid question!

      OK, we are a phone with the best screen, one of the best cam­era for video and pho­tos, fan­tas­tic speak­ers with 5.1 fea­ture, fan­tas­tic radio with mp4 record­ing, the best gps receiver maybe, a fast phone with a sen­si­ble screen..severl fea­tures, BUT NOT PERFECT!And at a price much less that com­peti­tors like n97, iphone,htc etc

      SAMSUNG DID SEVERAL BIG IMPROVEMENTS WITH LAST FIRMWARES..can’t do all that you want!

      I said you: BUY ANOTHER PHONE..after will be happy to see that sit­u­a­tion is maybe worse, that if you send a peti­tion com­pany don’t lis­ten you or make a meet­ing to explain as in this case..

      Buy an iphone al 700€ with­out radio, with the best browser WITHOUT FLASH,bad cam­era, with­out a full stack blue­tooth,..
      buy an n97 with a resis­tive screen,old processor..buy an htc hd with tom­tom lag, rose pho­tos, send­ing sms prob­lem etc etc

      yes, buy these phones and after start a peti­tion to solve prob­lems and omple­ment what you want:
      these com­pa­nies will meet you to explain and reply in every point?mmm..maybe will send you a kick in your ass..

      in alter­na­tive:
      http://netdna.webdesignerdepot.com/uploads/cellphone_design/dkmb86g_487pr55s2hc_b.jpg

      But stop cry!!! must happy for improve­ments and not cry­ing for what you don’t have!!

      AND RESPECT ANPHASE, THAT STARTS A PETITION AND SPOKE WITH SAMSUNG ABOUT THIS!

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    • STiLL

      @fenomeno83

      Signed !

      MfG STiLL

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    • DaDon

      Just read through the responses, some of guys need to chill out. Anaphase did us a big favour. You guys should appre­ci­ate that.

      I dont agree with most of what Anaphase wrote here… but I think its unfair for me to start call­ing him a ‘fan­boy’, ‘brain­washed’ and etc. Let him have his opin­ion, and I will dis­agree RESPECTFULLY.

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    • http://anphase.wordpress.com anphase

      Wow, nice and highly detailed :)

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    • http://anphase.wordpress.com anphase

      I couldn’t agree with you more. The com­par­i­son was just to try and get the whole mar­ket demand and com­pe­ti­tion idea through.

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    • http://anphase.wordpress.com anphase

      Nicely said, cheers.

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    • Bog­dan

      nice!!!! con­grats for u

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    • Sn00pking

      Well Anphase deserves all my respect, i mean meat­ing up with Sam­sung and dis­cussed all the issues invloved, now i blame the Sam­sung com­pany for putting them­selves in so many bugs from sym­bian, why dont they ever plan a phone rather then releas­ing hun­dreds a day with­out even plan­ning on mar­ket share, sell­ing strat­egy etc? i mean the main rea­son the phone is not sell­ing like “crazy” is because of Sym­bian OS, why they never adopted Android or win­dows mobile or some other alter­na­tive, now as i under­stand that Sym­bian is not opti­mized for “touch” yet,so why Sam­sung adver­tised “Dare to Touch”, and “Touch HD” on a non “touch” opti­mized oper­at­ing sys­tem?? makes no sense ha, thus why plan­ning is a nec­es­sary part of any device. *sigh*

      whats done is done, great job Anphase all my respect, i just “Hope” that Sam­sung lis­tens to your hard worked report.

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    • Fevves

      Ok, here we go again re cer­tain issues:
      Stop stat­ing Fring is valid alter­na­tive as it has ‘larger then life’ latency when used its VoIP part. Native Skype is non exis­tant for s60v5 and i8910 and Sam­sung wont recode their s60v3 API (which never saw day­light) to s60v5 VAS API so 3rd party VoIP providers/developers such Nim­buzz, Skype end the rest of them can give us FREE VoIP apps. Period. It’s up to Sam­sung, and stop giv­ing obnox­ious exam­ples how we have free apps for VoIP. They (Fring) don’t work as they’re sup­posed to.

      Voice dialing/calls/commands — Vlingo is not an option at all. It’s not the same thing and it’s con­nect­ing to web every time you use it. It can’t be valid sub­sti­tite for native Voice Dialling at all. Sam­sung seems to be a con­trac­tor with com­pa­nies like Nuance for their Low level phones regard­ing Voice Dial­ing, but with i8910 they flopped at 100%. So what if Nokia has their own licensed Voice API? Sam­sung could have imple­mented basic voice dial­ing fea­tures like on their base and low level phones, but they didn’t. ANd they should still imple­ment it. I repeat, lingo is not a valid option, also when you’re dri­ving your car!

      I’m being elab­o­ra­tive as I can before I lose my nervs repeat­ing always the very same things…

      And, for the record, I do appre­ci­ate what Anphase is doing as I repeteadly stated many times before on i8910 forum.
      And I do agree with Fenomeno83 on most of what he said, as peo­ple should stop post­ing bland com­ments and con­ce­trate more on real issues know­ing the lim­its of this phone!

      thanks for the read…

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    • leonkec

      Kudos to Anphase!
      One point of com­ment though:
      Why not use Opera mini instead of Opera Mobile, since Opera Mobile has prob­lems with gmail and hot­mail (at least for me). I use HX_SPEED1.42 firmware so per­haps those are no longer an issue with the new firmware.

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    • http://anphase.wordpress.com anphase

      It’s ok but because it ‘opti­mizes’ con­tent for mobile images aren’t as nice. It’s faster though :P . I actu­ally use both depend­ing on what I’m doing.
      Cheers

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    • http://anphase.wordpress.com anphase

      Cheers man, I hope there’s more change to come.

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    • manual_

      I think most peo­ple here give credit to Anphase as he did an absolutely excel­lent job. Anphase is not a prob­lem;) Samung is.
      I think the sug­ges­tion to “move along” and try new prod­ucts is unrea­son­able. Should peo­ple who got burned by i8910 hap­pily buy another expen­sive device and keep their fin­ger crossed in hope that Sam­sung will pro­vide proper sup­port? And what if the his­tory will repeat itself? Once bit­ten — twice shy. Sam­sung should be aware of that as it may hurt their sales. Peo­ple who were dis­ap­pointed by i8910 not deliv­er­ing proper per­for­mance will spread the word. Sam­sung may have a prob­lem at their hands. Many smart­phones are being bought by peo­ple that are highly aware of their fea­tures. What’s more they’re active blog writ­ers, forum com­menters etc. They may become Samsung’s “ambas­sadors”. But not the ones Sam­sung had in mind.
      Some may for­get quickly as you said. Some will remem­ber this les­son well. If Sam­sung approaches the mar­ket like this then they’re play­ing a risky and dan­ger­ous game. Their mar­ket­ing bet­ter be good. Should I move along and shell out more cash on another poten­tially buggy and support-lacking phone? I don’t think it’s a rea­son­able thing to do.

      And com­par­ing sale vol­umes of Corby to Omnia HD is wrong. It’s obvi­ous cheap phones will sell in big quan­ti­ties. Expect­ing smart­phones to do the same seems unreasonable.

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    • ssj3gogeta

      i can’t get qt work­ing argh­h­h­h­hhh
      i’ve rein­stalled it many times it doesn’t work

      i installed it
      restarted the phone

      any help is appreciated

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    • peter

      I use opera mobile 10 ( I havent d/loaded the lat­est beta 10.2 I think) and I use gmail docs cal­en­dar the full sites, it ren­ders them no prob­lem with full func­tions. I dont browse mobile sites any­more only full sites, but I cant edit text doc­u­ments in g-docs but I can edit spread­sheets. I add apts in cal­en­dar down­load attach­ments or view in HTML in gmail . every­thing no prob­lem. Opera 10 is amaz­ing it syncs my desk­top book­marks and syncs the mobile book­marks notes etc etc kinetic scrolling great zoom function…it is evi­dence of just what a dif­fer­ence good clever well thought out well writ­ten sofware can make to a device…

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    • brrip

      i’m not sure if it’s sup­posed to work till the new ver­sion is out

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    • Pieter

      Nice work. You did your very best to help all the HD own­ers.
      I hes­i­tated between the Nokia N97 and the HD. I chose the HD but now I’m not so sure if the HD was the bet­ter choice.

      There is loads of stuff com­ing out on ovi store for the N97 and the Sam­sung store doesn’t even sup­port the HD.

      What is Sam­sung really thinking?

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    • i8910owner disk

      You’re being nice because sam­sung guys paid you well with per­fumed dress visit and response :p real­ity is sim­ple, In sym­bian mar­ket, i8910 was expected to be n95 + OLED + HD by me (not sure about oth­ers). You may find our com­ments against Sam­sung but trust one state­ment here, flat­tery is NOT always a wise move to encour­age a cor­po­rate bureau­cratic per­son­al­ity to actu­ally fix and make their prod­ucts (i8910) bet­ter in terms of user qual­ity and expe­ri­ence. Here is my guess, they will make new prod­uct with all these user issues fixed (mostly).

      They really do not care about our money as long as they’ve received it any­ways. Every­thing is a “hard work” or “too much work”. Have they set a poll to view user demands? A bunch of few design­ers can­not guess thou­sands of user’s demands!

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    • JPx

      Nicely Done! Very informative…

      I noticed you updated with your blog with seper­ate QT files directly avail­able for down­load from your page. Any chance you could do the same with SMI Demo pack from Samsung ?

      Cheers

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    • http://anphase.wordpress.com anphase

      I’ve updated the link but you’ll still need a free account with Sam­sung Mobile Inno­va­tor to down­load the pack.

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    • JPx

      Thanks for the update

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    • JPx

      Are you able to link some of the other files you demo’d from PowerVR ?

      Cheers

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    • Man­afK

      i would like to thank every­one who con­tributed in mak­ing the report and stated all the prob­lems they had with their Omina HD and espe­cially anphase for tak­ing the time to meet with sam­sung rep­re­sen­ta­tives and address these issues regard­less of the future out­come.
      i have a ques­tion for you guys. i was going to buy the Omnia HD today morn­ing but after i read the reports made by anphase and your com­ments i’m start­ing to have sec­ond thoughts. so my ques­tion would be should i still buy the phone now? if not, what sub­sti­tute you would sug­gest for approx. the same amount of money?
      cheers

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    • Steve

      I got my i8910 two months ago, after hav­ing read every review I could find as well as Anphase’s report. While there are some issues with the phone, this has been the case with every other phone I’ve owned, so none has caused me to regret this pur­chase. (Btw I’m with Optus in Aus­tralia — firmware seems ok).

      The good:
      Ample stor­age
      Ver­sa­tile home­screen, once you’ve set it up (for­get wid­gets though)
      Does most things extremely well, includ­ing call qual­ity
      MINIMAL LAG (except when load­ing gallery)
      Plays media beautifully

      The bad:
      Next to no apps
      HD fram­er­ate (the only TRUE bro­ken promise, in my opin­ion)
      Menu sys­tems could use an over­haul (too much ‘dig­ging around’)
      Pho­tos can’t be grouped into fold­ers in gallery
      Web browser is mediocre — get Opera and you’re set.

      So it depends what you’re after, but mov­ing from a long line of Nokias, I’m still delighted to pick it up.

      With a bit more pol­ish­ing the i8910 would be almost flaw­less, but I guess the fram­er­ate issue led Sam­sung to cut their losses and move on instead. The UI doesn’t com­pete with iphone, but it’s made up for by what it CAN do. I haven’t spent much time with other com­pa­ra­ble phones but have been told it’s no con­test. So if you don’t want loads of apps or wid­gets and are happy to fid­dle away to set things up right, don’t be put off! There are dozen of legit­i­mate small com­plaints, but none is a deal­breaker for me — the main good points out­weigh the bad by a com­fort­able margin.

      Thanks also to Anphase, for putting so much time and effort into this.
      Cheers

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